In a phrase the entire conversation boiled down to team member empowerment and passion

The product champion doesn't figure out what the market wants, but brings the team to the customer

Without a good leader, or a champion of the team your team is doomed to fail

Quailty is building a substainable releationship

the value of value is realitive worth

When you do not have the fear of being fired you can become more open

What are the barries to opening communication

    - Management/customer sees the release cycle/process as a tax

How are we defining Continous Improvement?

    - taking notices of our process our, release cycle

    - balancing various items like maintainability, without over engineering our product

What is value????

    - this means differnt things to different people

    - means that someone will always be unhappy

        - operations has more work with more installs -- they are unhappy

        - developers have have more pressure if they have more work load

        - one persons pain is another persons pleasure

       - greater productivity could mean lay-offs

How do we make change when we are capiable of influincing change, but not the permissionr

    - start local

    - start small

    - hope your ideals spread

How do we move from me to we

    - get buy in from all on the team goal

    - get ownership

    - have pride/passion

How do we get a team to become engaged or passionate

    - ownership

    - self correction, self moderation

    - foster that the project will be a success

    - foster that the project is valuable / important

    - stay positive

    - peer pressure

    - develop opportunities for bragging/showing off to people who matter

4 areas of improvement

    - improvement of skills on the team

    - improvement of the purpose of the product

    - improvement of the process

    - improvement of the releationships